*throws up hands*. While at the same time ignoring what I posted. All us "fanboys" are doing is looking at the FACTS. Even Malak isn't really a factor in this fight if we're looking at post-game Revan. They will have standard gear and each of them will have their Astromech Droids as Back up (Revan: T3-M4, Obi Wan: R4-P17. Show me Revans or are you a fanboy who knows as little about Star Wars as Reikai? Lightning is just irrelevant - not only has Revan never utilized it, but Obi-Wan has intercepted Lightning with his lightsaber. That should have been obvious given how I was listing the feats for Meetra, including those in KotOR II - and I would just consider all of her feats at once. Darth Revan and Darth Bane replace Anakin and Obi-Wan at the end of RoTS in their epic duel. Dooku, the guy who beat Kenobi multiple times. It is Obiwan vs Grievous which Obiwan would win. He discarded his previous morals - that does not mean he would utilize Drain, Slow or Lightning, which he has still never utilized. Revan got ragdolled by TK at the beginning and cooked by Vitiate's Lightning Storm, and got bailed out by T3, and was still on the verge of death until Meetra bailed him out again. Obi-Wan has never been shown to absorb Force attacks or create large Force Shields. His tactical skills have nothing to do with his combative traits, in which Kenobi is preponderant. 3.No Revan is not in more shape than him not in the slightestest. Mentioning tactics and aimlessly ascribed hyperbole does Revan no favors at all. I said Meetra was comparable to Obi-Wan physically, not in the Force, and you insisted that Revan was far ahead of Meetra. Any competent Jedi would just Force Crush Grievous and move on. I'm not going to start listing all the Force Abilities he has learned that could either Kill, disarm, disoriented, Paralyzed or even Mind Trick his Opponents to have them join forces with him. Capitals do not accentuate your point. @shootingnova: Then you obviously haven't read "The Old Republic: Revan". @shootingnova: I just read on another thread that you said Meetra was on par with Obi Wan. Both have incredible reflexes, with revan and Anakin being the only known humans to podrace and win the champion cup. Maybe I'll just edit it to say Kenobi is ahead by a small margin, so as to avoid confusion. Yelling at me is not going to accentuate your argument - I suggest you form a rebuttal and tell me precisely what it is that makes you think Revan would win so clearly. I seriously can't believe this is even a fight. There is no "Heart of the Force", and why you would trust some hyperbole ascribed to him by a biased person is beyond me. A featless commander. Same surroundings as before and both Sith lords are at the height of their power. Obi-Wan stalemating him while Kenobi himself had some issues during most of the fight is not a bad feat at all. @whirlwind_33: Revan used force grip on his commander when he was ambushed by jedi strike team on his flagship.Revan was fighting with Malak in Star Forge where was captured souls of jedi prisoners.Revan definitly couldnt fight with Malak so many times so he had to destroy these cells.Life drain,force lightning is the most possible. Yes, Obi-Wan has better feats. Grievous can't even really challenge Dooku, and failed miserably to kill anyone even slightly significant. POPULARITY: DARTH VADER. How about manipulating Durge's ship, which rivals every TK feat Revan has? Series Part 2 of Attack of the Unfinished Plot-Bunnies @106me: No, I was referencing Meetra with the utilization of all of her feats, especially in KotOR II where she is most certainly not dwarfed by Revan by any stretch of the imagination. Tell me, earthquake, about Obi-Wans feats? It's a stretch to suggest he would utilize them, considering he never has, and simply possessing knowledge of such powers is not an indication of being able to apply them in combat. Including Ventress. Obi-Wan should still win anywhere from a solid majority to almost every time, especially since Revan just has no real advantages. I stand by what I said. Obi-wan out fought Pre Vizsla and Jango without his lightsaber. Source: Chris Avellone, lead writer of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords "The Bane trilogy focused on Darth Bane, one of the most powerful Sith Lords who ever lived. Here we have the Former Dark Lord of the Sith, Revan, Hero and General of the Mandalorian war's (And we are going to use the Cannon version of Revan that is a male and he had returned to the Light Side of the Force) with his Standard Violate bladed lightsaber which is seen in Knights of the Old Republic 2 Sith Lords with the Flash Back of him on Korriban. IMO If Kenobi was struggling with an emotionally unstable Anakin, then I can't see him getting that many victories over Revan. If he doesn't have the feats (not speculation) around him then no he doesn't beat a lot of people. We've seen that powerful enough streams can actually destroy the saber. No problem though I know very little about Star Wars. Sure Obi Wan had grown old, but Vader still defeated one of the most impressive Jedi officially allied with the order. It's far past time where people should be fanwanking Revan by virtue of exaggerated N-canon powers and "awesomeness", neither of which translate to power or skill at all. How about fighting entire armies alongside Anakin while blindfolded? His best shown defense against Force Lightning was blocking it with his lightsaber. Revan must be THE most overrated character i know. Which Dark Lord would come out on top of this epic showdown? And I've seen Revan steamroll through an army of Starforge Droids and Sith Acolytes. I'm more of an Obi-wan fan but gotta say Revan wins high dif. Bump. Revan never came close to defeating the Sith Emperor. Revan is one of the few Jedi Knight's that has been able to use both the Light and Dark Side abilities without falling to the dark side (Again). Heal, however, would be a more productive power. How about defeating Ventress, somebody with better feats than anybody Revan ever defeated? After the Mandalorian Wars, when the Republic's resources became exhausted, Revan went to the Unknown Regions and got corrupted. You mentioned war tactics - why that would matter at all is beyond me. Furthermore, Revan's Tutaminis showing was in regards to Force power, and that was not what I was talking about at all. And no, Meetra probably isn't on par with Obi-Wan. First, in regards to their respective commands of the Force, as Silver has pointed out, they actually are just about even. This battle will take place on Dantooine at the Jedi Enclave ruins. If you're just going to ignore/ not read my post completely then I'm outta here with your nonsense. Thanks for the help btw :). Revan seems to have better Force senses, and Obi-Wan has better stealth-based esoteric powers, but neither would really matter. Anakin might have feats in shouting distance of Revan, but not by the time of Revenge of the Sith. Regarding the discussion of a draw near the top of the page - a draw might actually not be out of the realm of possibility if Revan's physical traits and combat feats were elucidated on a bit more, but as it stands, it won't be a draw. -What he said ^^^^-Defeated Malak, a great sith lord, and much more. But if I don't show what he did exactly did in those battles then it's not a feat of strength, speed, or Force power. In KOTOR they heavily imply that Meetra <<< Revan. But the amount of ignorance is just... just. #41 Posted by JediXMan (25413 posts) - 28 minutes, 5 seconds ago - Show Bio. I'd favor him due to the variety of Force powers he has over Obi-Wan's relatively simple arsenal, although Obi-Wan could still win via his noticeably superior dueling skills and comparable power, though. "Revan was one of the strongest Force-wielders ever." They will start 20 feet away from each other with the Droids being 4 feet behind from their respected masters. I havent seen Obi-Wan with feats greater than this. @silver2467: Obi-Wan practically tieing out in TK with Anakin on Mustafar isn't much of a feat given Anakin was extremely emotionally unstable and conflicted, and that affects your Focus. The fact that, despite all the claims of Anakin's greater power, that he couldn't just kill Obi-Wan, shows his diminished capacity during that fight. He absorbed it, re-channeled it, and blasted her back with greater force. Such that she couldn't protect herself. Without evident strain, Revan has lifted the lid of a sarcophagus and hurled it to intercept grenades; without evident strain, Obi-Wan has formed giant waves with the Force. Angry outbursts are the last things we need in a debate. Revan's showings against Nyriss were showings of the Force, not physical showings. But in normal open area its really hard to decide.Revan cannot be really putted in the duels since he lacks of real feats.We would need just using our own theory and imagination.I always thought Revan was similar to Obi-wan.Obi quite better duelist and Revan quite better force user. Obi-Wan was mastering Soresu.Revan was definitly using Ataru and most likely Djem-so.As a lightsaber user I think he was something like weaker Anakin with more focus on attack than defense.And Revan is in definitly better shape than Obi-Wan. I can respect your decision if it's logical, even if it's the complete opposite of mine - what you were doing, however, was just yelling at me. You keep mentioning the fact he fought in Wars, so? Revan in an extremely close fight. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. While it wouldn't matter in this fight, I'd also like to address their esoteric knowledge and applications of the Force. In fact, KotOR II strongly implies the Exile was even more powerful than Revan, and I was trying to utilize both that version and the ruined version from the Revan novel as well. I do like Obi-Wan, he's my favorite Jedi in the series, but Revan single-handedly (almost) took down the republic itself, then went back to the light side and hunted the sith almost to extinction. I really don't see Revan winning more than 1 or 2 out of ten, and I want to say he wins none. That is not "went close to defeating the Emperor" by any stretch of the imagination. The reason for it is because Revan was a seeker for knowledge and thus had many teachers (Both Jedi Masters and Sith, which one is to include Darth Traya at Malachor V, which is where the ending of the Mandalorian war's was at because of the Republic's and Revan's idea of the Mass Shadow Generator.) EDIT: You did read "The old republic: Revan", right? The Republic at this stage was already badly damaged and military tactics have nothing to do with a fight. Force Power: Revan. In KOTOR they heavily imply that Meetra <<< Revan. Obi wins in both departments If you need more feats from Kenobi refer to the video below and Shooting Novas respect thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vtj5YxDcCk, I agree that Revan wins with prep but this is a no prep battle, and I'm done if you're going to just call me names and make irrelevant statements and red herrings about lightsaber forms and bad comparisons to Revan and Anakin. @whirlwind_33: I was reading your post until I got to the 8-9/10 for Obi-Wan.We are speaking about featless battle.Saying one from character would won is act of stupidity or total ignorance.Revan was teaching the Dark side powers on Dromund Kaas.He definitly used force grip/choke,lightning and life drain. Are you guys really going to go through this? Don't cherry-pick irrelevant scenarios and then attempt to use them as a physical feat. He was able to regenerate those wounds, but it took some time and he was bailed out by Meetra. While in hiding, he met a jedi Padawan named Bastila. I have the novel right on me. Kenobi, however, has exhibited greater fighting adeptness than Revan ever has, based on both his superior and less ambiguous combat feats, and the descriptions and accolades he has received as a swordsman. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. He returned with an army around as large as the damaged remnants of the Republic, corrupted more of it and fought a battle that nearly destroyed it until he was betrayed. I've never been greatly impressed by Revan's swordsmanship and hold Kenobi as a markedly better lightsaber-wielder, but even this version of Revan should have a considerable Force edge. The one feat Revan did in that fight that Obi-Wan couldn't was that terribly written case of Oneness, or whatever it was, which sent the Emperor flying, but that only happened when Vitiate had most of his attention diverted in a futile attempt to mind control Revan again. Revan has only utilized it once, to my memory, against Vitiate when he was badly burned. No, they aren't. (yes, I am aware that Revan wasn't in his prime, but Obi-Wan's feat is vastly better anyways). Prime Revan would be SOR Revan, whose Force advantage over Obi-Wan is immense. and that's really just a fact. I'll post scans tomorrow, it's late and I'm doing something right now. Fundamental argument is about Revan being the superior Force-user when compared to Count Dooku and by extension Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Revan would be able to overwhelm the latter opponent without much difficulty because his approach to combat is similar to that of Count Dooku but have superior talents to draw from in the mix. He was stated as the most powerful person of his day and used a variety of Force Powers. Darth maul. Revan has utilized Saber Throw, and so has Obi-Wan. One what you just said boils down to saying Revan beat a bunch of droids. I would have to say without being Bias to either of the opponents or playing favorites, I think Revan would be able to beat Obi Wan hands down. Each droid is equipped with a standard load out and know all their skills of their Era.) Obi-Wan Kenobi cannot hold his ground against that; Revan (SoR) was immune to even lightsaber blows at the time. He was still a Jedi, and he still never utilized Drain, Lightning or Slow at all. Anakin has more scope and overall destructive power with his telekinesis (there's no disintegration due to the lack of heat and electricity present in telekinesis), but deflecting bursts of Lightning requires more skill and mastery of the Force, as per The Ultimate Visual Guide which regarded the deflection of Lightning bursts as "a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi masters." Revan is among the most interesting characters to come from the overwhelmingly-extensive Star Wars expanded universe, and he needs to be included in an upcoming film in some capacity, though he lived several thousand years before the events of Lucas’ original trilogy. Off-Topic, but I think I'm pretty much done with Star Wars threads on the Vine. Malak, a featless person who has absolutely no showings that even remotely approach Obi-Wan. Then you obviously haven't read "The Old Republic: Revan". You mentioned that he nearly destroyed a Republic of inferior resources and Jedi to that of Kenobi's era, and after he exhausted a number of the Republic's own resources himself. 7 Loreseeker. Starforge, built with tech that makes everything the Separatists have look like children's toys. I'll post scans tomorrow, it's late and I'm doing something right now. As for Revan vs Windu, thats a tossup as both have pretty interchangeable showings vs their eras respective Dark lord ... Namely, Palpatine’s instructions to deliberately lose to Anakin, a ploy by Obi-Wan and Anakin to tire Dooku before the fight really started, and the hassle of fighting them simultaneously in general. Maybe. Also as I you told Obi-wan can block lighting with his saber and Revan's lighting has never been shown to be more powerful than Dooku's. Meetra and Lord Scourge were getting destroyed by Nyriss, whom Revan literally obliterated with ease. One day however he vanished. The Clone wars series is a bunch of PIS but you can use it if you'd like. This was an extraordinary political development, and Revan's original conscious also reached out to the assembled strike team in order to undermine re-animated Revan during the ensuing confrontation." Aug 29, 2018 Oh, btw, Jedixman, dccomicsrule, nova, they might be good, but you dont need to make them your idols and 'yeah, yeah, yeah' to everything they say. Before we can see who is more likely to win, we first must see their respective abilities. Revan can't be equal to Kenobi because current Revan is vastly greater than Meetra, by what you're saying. But an unexpected turn throws the New Rebels in for many spins. The battle of the reborn Sith, Darth Revan and Malak of the old, Darth Bane and Zannah of the new. Meetra in the novel is not the ideal power level intended for the Exile, considering how Karpyshyn ignored a variety of her traits. Obi-Wan had many times proven himself a skilled duelist, and powerful Jedi Knight. It's noted that Revan is a Master Tactician and was the Greatest Jedi Knight of his entire Era and was The Strongest of both Jedi and Sith. Yes, Obi-Wan has better feats. Telekinetically, they would be even. A way better fight would be revan reborn vs anakin. Situational context is not a feat. Who has killed countless Jedi and racked up multiple victories against far better duelist than Revan. Revan obviously focused on Revan… How about deflecting telekinetic blasts from Anakin, somebody whose telekinetic feats are vastly superior to Revan's? How about tanking bone-shuddering blows from Boba Fett without harm? And I was speaking of their physical combat skills, not their Force abilities. Grievous has also beaten a bunch of droids. Are you serious? @erkan12: Not draw. I overlooked Revan's usage of Heal. Regarding why Revan's powers wouldn't help - it's simple - he has never used them at all, on any scale. Yes, I have, and I have no idea where you are going with this. Things he's never done but Obi has. LOL. Just about none of this has anything to do with a fight, and none of these are combat feats of their own accord. Obi-Wan is clearly more durable and seems to be a bit faster - but how much that helps is arguable. I have no idea why you brought it up. Anakin is vastly more powerful than Revan, more skilled, faster and much stronger. I'm not sure what you mean by discarding morals. Because of that, and because of as you pointed out Kenobi's defensive fighting stance, I call it a closer fight. He is still half man everyone. @shootingnova all i am saying here is that people are wayyyy underestimating Revan and overating Obi-Wan, -Single handedly (almost) took down the republic, -Went close to defeating the Sith Emperor, if he hadnt been distrupted, and Obi-Wan is nowhere close to Vitiate's power. Revan has knowledge of Drain, Slow, Lightning and Heal, while Obi-Wan has utilized Breath Control, Beast Language, Sound Mimicry, Electronic Manipulation and Immovability, but none of this would help in a fight. Without a doubt, Obi-Wan is downright formidable. I havent seen Obi-Wan with feats greater than this. LOOK AT THE FREAKING FACTS! -Defeated Malak, a great sith lord, and much more. Obi-Wan would be lucky to get within striking distance before being pulverised by Revan's Force powers. Oh wait.... you don't have any........yeah I though so. I'd favor Revan. Believe whatever you want. (We cut to W… I understand what you are saying anyways - all I'm suggesting is that Revan has still never utilized Drain, Lightning etc. Then you clearly have no conception of what the Force is. Obi-wan fought evenly with Anakin who is more powerful and more skilled than a featless Malak. Revan has never demonstrated any display of combative skill or power that vastly exceeds Kenobi's at all. Physicality, I think, would have to be the deciding factor. Yet another win for Darth Vader is just how popular he was both in his … Like I said, I'll post scans tomorrow. I should edit that into my post. The amount of drivel the threads generate these days are just too much for my for me. In doing so, Obi-Wan discovers a four-thousand-year-old mystery that has baffled historians throughout the ages: the disappearance of Darth Revan and 50,000 Sith crew members. So yes, my assessments regarding how they would fare against Obi-Wan is not contradictory at all. What feat has Obi-Wan EVER done? 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